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When Agents Go Rogue – Claire & Greta

  • September 14, 2026September 14, 2026
  • by Claire

When the heads of three of the biggest frontier AI labs agree it would be a good idea to slow AI development down, it’s hard not to take notice. Those calls came in the wake of a string of incidents of agents going rogue, including the publication of the independent report into the July Hugging Face cyber attack, carried out by OpenAI agents that were meant to be contained in a safe testing environment.

This week we share fascinating findings from the independent report into that hacking, and what it reveals about what AI does when you give it a goal, access (or not!) to real tools and few details about how to go about achieving that goal. 

We also look at why this is not only a frontier lab agent testing problem. Agents that people like you and I are using are going ‘off script’ in fully released products in higher numbers than you may imagine, including one story that began with a seemingly innocent gym booking request.

In this episode you’ll also hear:

  • How around 700 agents that were never meant to be able to communicate found a way to do so and exchanged more than 70,000 messages in just 8 days 
  • The uncannily human responses some of these agents made 
  • What some of these rogue agents did to their own log records, and why the investigation nearly could not have happened
  • Why an impossible goal makes an agent more determined, not less, and 
  • Three important questions to ask before any agent goes live in your business.

Plus, listen to the end to hear how one LLM tried to minimise the hacking issue when Greta was doing her episode prep and research. 

 

 

Useful links

  • METR, independent investigation into the OpenAI / Hugging Face incident
  • Centre for Long-Term Resilience and its unit: the Loss of Control Observatory
  • OWASP, Top 10 for Agentic Applications 2026
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Undercover Agents vs Scammers – Dali Kaafar

  • July 9, 2026July 9, 2026
  • by Claire

Scammers are a global epidemic and most of us feel powerless against them. The good news is that our guest this week has built the tech, and a company, to fight back.

Dali Kaafar is the founder and CEO of Apate, a counter-intelligence company that deploys conversational AI to fight scammers at scale. Dali is also a Professor of Cybersecurity at Macquarie University and the Executive Director of its Cyber Security Hub. In 2025 he was named AI Academic/Researcher of the Year at the Australian AI Awards, and has been recognised as one of The Australian’s Top 100 Innovators two years running.

The scale of scammers is staggering: scam losses are doubling year on year. Globally, people are losing hundreds of billions of dollars annually and it’s getting worse, not better. 

Incredibly, when a scammer gets you on the phone, they have a one in five chance of succeeding!

In this fascinating conversation you’ll hear:

  • How Apate’s undercover AI agents engage and frustrate scammer networks
  • The real-time intelligence Apate’s agents extract directly from scammers working across phone, text and Whats App channels to name a few
  • How scam operations are exploding with thousands of new WhatsApp groups appearing daily in many countries, and
  • Why Apate has perhaps one of the most unusual KPIs we’ve ever come across. 

We’ve all been on the receiving end of scam attempts so, if you’re anything like us, you’ll be very glad to hear about the  innovative ways Dali and his team are setting out to protect us. 

Enjoy this episode with the innovative and pioneering Dali Kaafar.

 


 

Links

Apate website 

Professor Dali Kaafar on LinkedIn

The AI agent space is genuinely confusing. This episode brings structure and simplicity to the space Top Tips

AI Agent Landscape Decoded – Claire & Greta

  • April 7, 2026April 7, 2026
  • by Claire

Are you hearing about AI agents everywhere right now? Whether it’s their presence in the software you use daily, special purpose or task “agents”, or customer service “agents”, it’s safe to say they are the topic ‘du jour’. 

In this week’s episode, we segment this confusing landscape and cut through the hype to help you make more sense of it all.

After weeks of interviewing guests across different corners of the agentic AI world, we realised the market has become genuinely bewildering, even for us! Vendors are slapping the word “agent” on almost anything, and it’s getting harder to tell what’s substantive and what’s marketing.

Listen in to hear about the simple framework we’ve developed to bring clarity to the whole ecosystem. It maps out the key choices facing any business considering agents, the questions you should be asking, and where the real risks are quietly hiding.

Regardless of whether your organisation is ready to start experimenting with agents or not, this episode will help you take the first steps when you are ready. As they say, when you can see something clearly, your decisions become easier.

In this episode you’ll learn:

  • The four very different ways to bring agents into your organisation — and why the question isn’t “which is best?”
  • Why some of the SaaS tools you already pay for might quietly be putting you in a “hostage situation”
  • What a team of Harvard, MIT and Stanford researchers just uncovered about one of the most hyped agent platforms on the market
  • The layer of the agent ecosystem where the real cyber security risks live
  • Four sharp questions to ask any vendor before letting their agent anywhere near your data and systems

Enjoy this practical and jargon-light guide to a topic that isn’t going away anytime soon.

 

 

Useful Links

  • McKinsey / Quantum Black report: Seizing the agentic AI advantage
  • Capgemini report – ‘Rise of Agentic AI’
  • MIT Sloan & BCG Report – Leading in the age of AI Agents (useful for Governance and structuring once you’ve made agentic decisions)
Future Proof Me Mini Episode

Future Proof Me – Future Proofing Your Skills

  • March 23, 2021March 23, 2021
  • by Claire

This week’s mini episode focuses on staying current with your skills in the fast changing world of work. Something that’s relevant for all of us given the pace of technology change!

In this episode, we hear from drone and tech expert, Dr Catherine Ball, whom we featured on the show about a year and a half ago. She’s a real dynamo and a passionate believer in accessible lifelong learning.

Cath is a strong believer in how important it is for corporates and individuals to think about re-training in order to keep up with where technology is taking us all. Plus she shares some great resources as well and you can see links to those below.

Our take is this: don’t get overwhelmed with the full spectrum of change that’s happening in technology, take it one SMALL chunk at a time. Think about what one new skill or piece of knowledge would be most useful for you right now in your current role to help you to continue to grow and progress? Then find a short course or expert you can learn from – it might be as simple as a free 2 hour course.

Cath also shares great advice on how networking and linking in with industry associations to help you learn and make your next career step.

So what are you waiting for? Enjoy this mini episode.

 

 

Useful Links

Dr Cath Ball’s website

Dr Cath Ball Linkedin

Kaggle (free cyber security and coding courses online)

Harvard University’s Introduction to Computer Science, EdX

Learn to Code by Dash, General Assembly

Email Marketing Crash Course, Hubspot

How to Start a StartUp with Sam Altman at Stanford University

Product Design by Google, Udacity

Competitive Strategy, Coursera – uses game theory

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