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Undercover Agents vs Scammers – Dali Kaafar

  • July 9, 2026July 9, 2026
  • by Claire

Scammers are a global epidemic and most of us feel powerless against them. The good news is that our guest this week has built the tech, and a company, to fight back.

Dali Kaafar is the founder and CEO of Apate, a counter-intelligence company that deploys conversational AI to fight scammers at scale. Dali is also a Professor of Cybersecurity at Macquarie University and the Executive Director of its Cyber Security Hub. In 2025 he was named AI Academic/Researcher of the Year at the Australian AI Awards, and has been recognised as one of The Australian’s Top 100 Innovators two years running.

The scale of scammers is staggering: scam losses are doubling year on year. Globally, people are losing hundreds of billions of dollars annually and it’s getting worse, not better. 

Incredibly, when a scammer gets you on the phone, they have a one in five chance of succeeding!

In this fascinating conversation you’ll hear:

  • How Apate’s undercover AI agents engage and frustrate scammer networks
  • The real-time intelligence Apate’s agents extract directly from scammers working across phone, text and Whats App channels to name a few
  • How scam operations are exploding with thousands of new WhatsApp groups appearing daily in many countries, and
  • Why Apate has perhaps one of the most unusual KPIs we’ve ever come across. 

We’ve all been on the receiving end of scam attempts so, if you’re anything like us, you’ll be very glad to hear about the  innovative ways Dali and his team are setting out to protect us. 

Enjoy this episode with the innovative and pioneering Dali Kaafar.

 


 

Links

Apate website 

Professor Dali Kaafar on LinkedIn

Interview

The CEO Power AI User – Joseph Lyons

  • May 13, 2026May 14, 2026
  • by Claire

If you’ve ever wondered what it actually looks like when a CEO goes all in on AI, not just in their business but in their own daily work, then you are going to love this week’s conversation.

Our guest is Joseph Lyons, CEO of ELMO Software, an HR and workforce management platform used across thousands of organisations. Joseph is a seasoned executive with many years at major tech companies including a stint as a regional Managing Director at accounting software powerhouse Xero.

Joseph is genuinely one of the most hands-on AI leaders we’ve spoken to. As you’ll hear, he uses AI for everything from synthesising board papers to interrogating hundreds of customer calls for strategic insight. He describes having AI as like having a personal chief of staff that never sleeps. 

In this episode Joseph also shares:

  • How he and his team use AI as a “red hat” to challenge their strategic thinking
  • Why his AI human coach turned out to be 25 years his junior
  • The executive productivity agent built by his HR team, and
  • What ELMO is doing to make AI adoption the norm, not the exception.

Joseph also has some refreshingly practical advice for time-poor, busy leaders on how to actually get started using AI. In short, Joseph is very generous in sharing with us how he works with AI in his day to day role. Whether you’re a CEO, a senior leader, or simply someone who wants to understand how AI is reshaping the way executives work, we’re confident you’ll take a lot from this conversation. 

Enjoy this episode with the savvy and forward-thinking Joseph Lyons.

 

 

Useful Links

ELMO Software website

Joseph on LinkedIn

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AI on the Org Chart – Patrick Forth

  • March 13, 2026March 16, 2026
  • by Claire

What does it actually mean to have a colleague who never sleeps, never calls in sick, and can hold thousands of conversations at once? Not in theory but right now, in real organisations?

Our guest this week is Patrick Forth, an Group Executive Director at FutureSecure AI,  a company that builds what they call AI co-workers: sophisticated agentic systems that sit on org charts, have names and personas, and are managed much like human employees. 

Patrick shares what some of the AI co-workers they’ve built so far actually do in enterprises today and what it takes to get them working inside organisations.

In this episode you’ll hear:

  • About the AI co-worker managing thousands of scheduling conversations on WhatsApp
  • Why their AI co-workers focus on complex, high-return use cases rather than simple automation 
  • Patrick’s take on the job loss debate
  • How one organisation puts humans and AI co-workers on the same org chart just in different colours, and 
  • Whether AI co-workers should be treated like software or like colleagues.

If you want a glimpse into the possible future of your workplace and colleagues then enjoy this episode with someone who’s at the coalface helping companies choose use cases and deploying AI co-workers right now…

 

 

Useful Links

FutureSecure AI website 

Patrick Forth on LinkedIn

Interview

AI at the Speed of Trust – Ann Maya

  • August 7, 2025
  • by Claire

Our guest this week gets straight to the heart of what actually makes AI work in practice: seamless data integration and moving at what she calls “the speed of trust.”

Ann Maya is the EMEA Chief Technology Officer at Boomi, a company that connects applications, devices, and systems to help organisations navigate digital transformation. With over 20 years in software—from developer to solution architect to senior leadership—Ann has a rare ability to bridge technical complexity with business reality.

In this conversation, we explore why most organisations struggle to scale AI beyond pilots, and why the answer isn’t just about the technology itself. Ann shares:

  • How a container ship insurance company transformed their underwriter workflow from three days to 15 minutes—and why their legal team immediately wanted in
  • Why she believes your company’s data is your “competitive secret sauce” and how to protect it while still leveraging AI’s power
  • The psychology behind why change happens at “the speed of trust” and how smart companies bring their people along on the AI journey
  • Real examples of what she calls “creative destruction”—and why the next revolution might come from the most unexpected places

Ann also reveals how Boomi has embedded 11 different AI agents into their own platform and shares a fascinating perspective on the current AI race: who’s winning, who’s getting left behind, and what you can control when everything feels like it’s moving at breakneck speed.

Whether you’re wondering how to turn AI skeptics into advocates or trying to understand why your organisation’s data strategy matters more than ever, this conversation offers practical insights from someone who’s helping companies navigate this transformation every day.

Enjoy this episode with the innovative and customer-focused Ann Maya. 

 

Links 

Ann on LinkedIn

Boomi home page

Boomi – Discover 

Interview

AI for Marketing & Creative – Emma Wharton Love

  • July 23, 2025July 23, 2025
  • by Claire

This week we explore how AI is reshaping all things marketing with Emma Wharton Love, co-founder of UK-based Spark AI. 

Emma helps creative agencies and in-house teams navigate the AI era, and her unique background includes helping the entire UK House of Commons transition to hybrid working during Covid.

That experience taught Emma something crucial that we explore in this episode, successful AI deployment isn’t really about the technology, it’s about people and change management. 

We also probe one of the most sensitive areas for the marketing services industry, how AI is impacting the creative process itself. We also explore what AI video means for advertising and how it may result in a much bigger pool of advertisers in future.

During this great conversation you’ll also discover:

  • What to avoid when starting out on the AI pathway
  • The value of synthetic market research (and what it is)
  • Where Emma believes the biggest gains for agencies lie 
  • How she thinks about AI’s future role in marketing creativity, and 
  • The one mindset Emma believes is essential for AI success.

Whether you’re in marketing or not, Emma’s approach to managing AI transformation offers valuable lessons for any professional or business trying to harness this technology thoughtfully.

 

 

Useful Links

Spark AI website

Emma Wharton Love on LinkedIn

Interview

Reality Check – Isar Meitis

  • May 7, 2025May 7, 2025
  • by Claire

This week we share a thought-provoking episode of Don’t Stop Us Now AI Edition, where we tackle head-on some of the most challenging realities of the AI revolution.

Our guest, Isar Meitis, Founder of Multiplai AI, gives us a reality check, without the sugarcoating, explaining the potential disruption heading our way. As an entrepreneur, investor, podcaster and AI strategist who’s deeply embedded in this space, Isar brings a refreshingly frank perspective about what’s coming, perhaps sooner than many of us expect.

In this compelling conversation, Isar shares his predictions about the dramatic workforce changes we’re likely to see in the next 2-3 years. While many experts talk about gradual transitions, Isar believes we’re approaching a tipping point where AI’s capabilities may create significant employment challenges across numerous industries.

We explore:

  • Why AI’s impact on jobs could be more sudden and widespread than most people realise
  • How staggeringly capable autonomous Agents will become in the next few years
  • How to think about creating a comprehensive and winning AI strategy for your organisation, and 
  • Specific AI tools Isar loves and uses in his own business. 

Isar also shares practical strategies for listeners looking to remain relevant and valuable in an increasingly AI-enhanced workplace. 

This is an ‘edge of your seat’, fascinating and somewhat controversial conversation which, as you’ll discover, runs a little longer than our usual episodes. We think you’ll know why once you hear for yourself.  

Enjoy this unmissable episode with the knowledgeable and straight-talking Isar Meitis. 

 

Links mentioned:

  • Isar Meitis LinkedIn
  • Multiplai AI website 
  • Isar’s AI Business Transformation Course (starts May 12 2025) **Listeners get a discount for this or future sessions of this course using the code: LEVERAGINGAI100

* Don’t forget to share this episode with any friends, family or colleagues who may be interested in this reality check on what’s coming with AI

How To Episode

Practical AI Use Cases You Can Try Today

  • March 11, 2025March 11, 2025
  • by Claire

This week’s episode of Don’t Stop Us Now AI Edition brings you something a little different as we share behind the scenes insights into the different ways we’re currently using and experimenting with AI to improve our productivity.

AI tools are evolving so fast and we know how hard it is to try and keep up with it all. This is exactly why we’re sharing specific use case examples with you in this week’s episode. These practical use cases are all things you can try out for yourself today if you’re curious about easy ways to incorporate AI into your work and life but aren’t sure where to start. 

As you’ll hear, we’ll share some useful and fun ways to test Perplexity’s Deep Research, Open AI’s image generation capabilities, and Google’s Notebook LM. 

In this episode, you’ll hear:

  • How we transformed some everyday tasks using Perplexity’s new Deep Research 
  • How AI-generated images have become dramatically more useful and accurate in recent months and what we’re using these images for
  • How to easily digest lengthy business reports by turning them into interactive audio conversations you can listen to while commuting or exercising, and
  • Practical advice for navigating privacy considerations while experimenting with AI

You’ll also get to listen in on a live conversation we have showcasing a new feature on Notebook LM that really ups the ante for quickly and easily finding the information you want in a dense and lengthy document. 

There’s something for everyone to try here so enjoy this practical episode sharing real-world AI use cases and tips…

Useful Links

Perplexity AI 

Google’s Notebook LM

ChatGPT (includes image generation capabilities)

Greta’s LinkedIn article on data poisoning

 

If you haven’t already, subscribe to Don’t Stop Us Now – AI Edition to stay in the know 

Why not connect with Claire and Greta on LinkedIn to share your own AI use cases and experiences

Interview

Cultivating Your Inner Data Scientist – Pinar Ozcan

  • February 27, 2025February 27, 2025
  • by Claire

In today’s world, data underpins almost everything—from the financial decisions we make to the way businesses and governments operate. What’s more, in the world of AI, data is the fuel and the ‘secret sauce’ that produces the time saving outputs and future potential breakthroughs. 

But while companies are collecting more data than ever before, many are still struggling to store it effectively, let alone make sense of it, and most of us are not equipped with the skills we all need personally to have sustainable careers in this new, AI-powered era.

In our episode this week, we speak with Pinar Ozcan, Professor of Entrepreneurship and Innovation at Said Business School, Oxford University, to explore the profound impact of AI on jobs, skills, and industries—and what you can do to stay relevant.

Pinar is a leading expert on AI disruption, open banking, and the strategic role of data in innovation. From the rise of AI-driven financial services to the skills that will define the workforce of tomorrow, she shares invaluable insights on how individuals and businesses can navigate this changing landscape.

In this episode you’ll hear: 

  • How AI and data are reshaping industries, particularly finance and fintech
  • Practical ways you can stay competitive in the AI-driven job market
  • Why data literacy is becoming a must-have skill for professionals
  • Pinar’s take on which countries and companies are leading the way in AI regulation and education
  • How AI is both creating and eliminating jobs, and what that means for your career

We’ll also hear about the personal AI tool that’s transformed the way Pinar works.

Don’t miss this fascinating and thought-provoking conversation with Pinar Ozcan.

 

 

Useful Links

Pinar’s website

Learn more about Pinar’s research: Oxford Future of Finance and Technology Initiative

Recommended book: Prediction Machines by Ajay Agrawal

Pinar’s favourite AI tool: Superhuman – an AI-powered email assistant

Info on the EU AI Act

 

 

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Subscribe to Don’t Stop Us Now – AI Edition wherever you get your podcasts

 

Interview

Our Chat with Chat – ChatGPT Advanced Voice Mode

  • February 11, 2025
  • by Claire

Drumroll . . . our episode this week features a world famous guest who needs no introduction.

After detailed negotiations with their agent 😉  we’re thrilled to share that our guest is none other than ChatGPT Advanced Voice Mode.

Since launching in the 3rd quarter of last year,  Open AI’s ChatGPT Advanced Voice Mode has been transforming how people interact with AI. It’s played countless roles – from life coach to confidant, knowledge companion to conversation practice partner.

And now? We’re adding ‘podcast guest’ to its extensive repertoire!

We approached our unique conversation with this famous ‘synthetic’ guest as both a test drive and a demonstration; taking ChatGPT for a ‘spin’ and letting you experience its capabilities in real-time.

You’ll hear Chat switch between languages effortlessly, offer predictions and insights about adapting to tomorrow’s workplace, and even attempt some dad jokes. Groan! (We apologise in advance!)

Through some persistent questioning, we also uncovered what might be previously unreported usage data. Is it a world-first revelation or an AI hallucination? Only OpenAI knows for sure!

We’re confident you’ll find this conversation as fun and intriguing as we did. So settle in and enjoy this episode featuring our first-ever synthetic guest, ChatGPT.

 

Useful Info for trying Advanced Voice Mode yourself: 

Advanced Voice Mode is easy to access. You open your ChatGPT app and you’ll see a button on the bottom right that has white zigzag bars with a black background – it’s called the Wavelength icon. Click on this and you can get started. It’s worth noting that ChatGPT free users have limited access.

Image Credit: ChatGPT

Interview

Leaning into AI – Julie Hood

  • January 23, 2025January 23, 2025
  • by Claire

What happens when AI transforms one industry? The ripple effects can reshape entire business ecosystems – from healthcare innovations forcing insurance companies to adapt, to retail transformations rippling through supply chains.

In this episode, we dive deep into these cascading effects with someone who sees them firsthand. Through fascinating real-world examples, Julie Hood reveals how AI isn’t just changing isolated business functions – it’s creating a domino effect that no industry can ignore.

As EY’s AI Enablement Leader for Europe, the Middle East, India and Africa, Julie guides organisations through this transformation daily, bringing insights from her work with teams across 90 countries.

You’ll discover:

  • Why every corner of your business needs to prepare for AI transformation
  • How to get involved in AI projects, even without technical expertise
  • Practical ways to use AI tools like ChatGPT in your daily life (including Julie’s personal travel planning secrets)

Join us as we explore the interconnected AI future and more with the well-travelled and design-curious Julie Hood.

 

 

Useful Link

EY website AI centre

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